Best Scenes,Worst Scenes

[The Restless Shadow]

In FotR there was many Great things,
but then their was also things that people didn't like.
So basicly....
What scene's did you like the most.
and what scene's could you really live without?
I'll go first.....
(Remember these are your Top picks,)
(not just scenes you like)

Scenes I Love!
1.Galadriel turning Evil
2.Gandalf v.s. The Balrog
3.The Council of Elrond
4.The Prolouge

Scenes I could live without.
Well...none.

Now it's Your turn!

[Legolas]

I think MrShadow, that you have chosen everything that I would. Although I have to add one of my favorite quotes from that movie
FRODO: I'm going alone Sam.
SAM:Of Course you are! And I'm going with you!

§ Legolas §

[Elenathwen]

I think that best one is with Legolas(& not you legolas)
When he kills the two orc with one arrow! That cool!
i don't know about the other one well they put in a lot more things in the movie then in the book & i think they could have done more stuff from the book then other stuff that they wanted to do, but that just me!
huggles from mod
Elenathwen

[Arandur]

You have to remember: it's hard to put a long, descriptive, wonderful book into a visually appealing film for viewers. I think Pete, Fran, and Phillipa ( along with everyone else that helped in making it possible.) did a wonderful job. ;D

One of my all time favorite scenes is when Boromir picks up broken Narsil and moves his shoulder funnily while saying: 'The sword that cut the Ring.'

And every part with the Nazgul was very cool to me. I love the Nazgul, I do I do. Except that you can see a blur around their face sometimes that makes it look fake and weird .

And the Balrog. Oh my goodness graciousnesses of... stuff. I love the heat waves, the cracked black body, the horns, the whip, the figure ect. ect...
It was so cool.

I loved the prologue too. When I saw it I was like: It's beautiful.

I also like any scene with Bilbo.

I love other scenes, But I'll cut it down. This post is quite long as it is.

[Nenyede]

Well, I would have to say, my fav scene of ALL would have to be!


When there in the Prancing Pony, and there in the hobbits room, and Aragorn is telling them about the Nasgul!

[Arandur]

Yeah, that was always the part that scared the youngins' in the theater.

[Legolas]

You're right, I did like that scene in the Prancing Pony as well. Hey, I liked the whole thing!!! ;D

§ Legolas §

[Nenyede]

Well duh, of course you liked the entire movie, who didn't?

[Elenathwen]

Well yeah! I don't know anyone who likes LOTR to start with & then doesn't like the movies! Like everyone likes them, They are just AWESOME! I love them will for my whole life!They are soo COOL!
Huggles always
Elenathwen

[Aredhel]

I'll make this one short.

Scenes I loved:
-any and all Hobbit scenes.
-especially any and all Frodo scenes.

Scenes I didn't care for:
-Arwen's murder of Glorfindel (well, we don't see that scene but we see what happens because of it- no Glorfindel at all.
-Arwen's line: ''if you want him, come and claim him!''
Because of this line, Frodo can't say one of his best lines in all of the books, ''By Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!!''
And, when you take the scenes like the one at Weathertop, that had Frodo simply falling down when faced with the nazgul, it REALLY lessens his character.
This is why so many people don't like Frodo/think he is just a scared little hobbit!
It's not so!! He is exactly the opposite! I wish PJ had portrayed his character much better and done him justice....but hey, oh well....
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ah, and I just wanted to say on note of what Elenathwen said, I am one! I actually don't really care for the TTT movie too much now. It has always been my least favourite. But the FotR & RotK movies I both absolutely love. It doesn't make you any less of a ''LotR fan''. Everyone just has their opinions. Personally, I don't like the TTT movie so much because it is so drastically different from the book TTT...
But that has nothing to do with my liking LotR.....
(because we are talking about liking the movies, not the subject of LotR in general, you know? And the books and the movies are two very different things, the movies are only a vague outline of the books)

[Arandur]

Yeah. But, I mean, I don't thinnk anyone could've done better; caught a good audience, ecetera. He did way better than anyone else could have done. It's also pretty obvious that if he had added more of the books it would be a very slow and long movie(which I wouldn't mind, but other people would have disliked it). But whatever. All you movie-haters can say what you want, and I could care less. ;D

[Aredhel]

Umm...ok...o.O
I think you misunderstood me, actually. I never wrote anywhere that I hate the movies.
I was only writing about parts or elements that I didn't like as much or parts which I thought could have been better..

The LotR movies are my favourite movies and always will be, I'm sure.

Still, that doesn't mean the movies are without any flaws, and to think that they are I think is just...kind of naive, no offense. But just because I've criticized something does not mean that I like it any less, or don't like it all all.....

And I completely agree with you on saying no other person could have done it better then PJ.
But that doesn't mean that he did it without flaws.(or that even he could have improved.)

As for adding more book material, yes I agree that to an extent adding too much of it would lessen the audience he got. And of course, adding much more of the actual story would not be possible anyway, since they were trying to stay within a set time frame, around 3 hours.

So I've had to come to accept the plot changes, it's the character development I still have a problem with.

I think more time should and could have been spent on developing and just in general getting to know the characters a little better. PJ says he avoided this for ''pacing reasons'' , as in, he had to Hollywood-ize it in a way, to pick up the storyline and make it constantly flow. (That's the exact reason for it, actually.)

PJ himself has actually stated he has some regrets about doing this, and that he could have done much better at staying closer to Tolkien.

So, my point here is... of course I love the movies, of course I still love the movie character of Frodo (some movie characters I do not like at all/like how they were portrayed in the least bit..but I won't get into that now ) ,BUT I still think about what might have been.

It's exactly like what Fran Walsh(or it might have been Phillipa who said it, not sure) said, ''In the end, the movies will only ever be entertainment....''

And that's so true.
So as I would never criticise/complain about the books Tolkien wrote, I'll probably always have my complaints about the movies. They are just not really related at all, you can't compare movie entertainment with amazing fantasy novels.
The two are completely different.

(yes I know I've strayed way off the topic of what you said, Arandur. (I was kind of referring to what [most]people think in general)And Just wanted to make a point.)

[Arandur]

Sure, that's fine .

I used the term 'movie-haters' because people complain alot/too much about the movies and I was just being a silly nugget anywho . But if you had asked the actors at the time of shooting to put more of their lives in making it more like the books, the extreme exhaustion they had while in the process of making it would make their answer: "Excuse me? Did you say MORE time? I'm so tired already from waking up at 6 a.m. and standing for, like, five hours to wear feet that we probably won't even show in the shot we're doing!!"

But perhaps others think differently than those who have suffered to please the heartbreaking, absurd, ludicrous, doleful, human race. ;D

Cheers!

[Ulaer]

Aredhel said-"Arwen's line: ''if you want him, come and claim him!''
Because of this line, Frodo can't say one of his best lines in all of the books, ''By Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!!''


He might have done that for the people who have never read the book,then they would probably ask...
"Who the -- is Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair?"
(The -- is not any word in general )

[Aredhel]

Aredhel said-"Arwen's line: ''if you want him, come and claim him!''
Because of this line, Frodo can't say one of his best lines in all of the books, ''By Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair, you shall have neither the Ring nor me!!''

He might have done that for the people who have never read the book,then they would probably ask...
"Who the -- is Elbereth and Lúthien the Fair?"
(The -- is not any word in general )

It's true, that the people who had not read the book would honestly have no clue. Still, it is only one sentence, and just a single statement, and the scopes of the books are huge- so I think it would have been fine to at least add this line, even if some people had no idea.
Maybe that would encourage them to go the source- the books and find out. After all, many people after reading the books through once still don't understand many things, so they have the chance to re-read it and dig deeper into the story. The same could have been with the movies- only slightly, of course, but little things could have been added such as this line. It just would have been a great moment to have seen.

Also, it was more about building up Frodo's character in the movies than anything as a reason why the line was needed.
And as for your question, who is Elbereth, and who is Lúthien... (I swear I will try to make it short!)

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Elbereth- she was the mightiest of the Valier, and was the one concerned with light. She made the stars, and set the star Eärendil in the sky. Because of her creation of the stars, she was the dearest of the Valar to the elves, who called to her for aid from Middle-earth. Sometimes she answered their prayers, and also those of men. She was also called Gilthoniel.
(''The Valar/Valier were beings of pure spirit but they usually assumed physical forms of great beauty and majesty'' - Men sometimes thought of them as gods)
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PJ did actually add a line in the movie RotK that people who had not read the books could still be confused on. This was: (in Shelob's(spider's) lair)

Frodo: Aiya Eärendil Elenion Ancalima! (Hail Eärendil brightest of Stars!)

In the rotk EE it's possible (I'm hoping!-though it might not have been filmed) that we will see Frodo or Sam call out ''Gilthoniel, A Elbereth!''. (they are calling for aid/help from Elbereth.)

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Lúthien- An elf of the first age (the war of the Ring happens in the third) whose beauty it is said to ''have been the greatest ever seen outside Valinor'' (the Undying Lands, the West, etc.) This is why Frodo says ''and Lúthien the Fair''. Her story is one of the main ones of The Silmarillion, one of Tolkien's other books published after his death.

If anyone is reading this and has not yet read LotR, you really should think about reading it! If you love the movies you will love the books just as much but probably even more so. ;D